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Failure to counsel Soldiers 1 Month ago Karma: 0  
I have an NCO who is "too busy" to counsel his Soldiers, we are deployed and he says that he has too many responsibilities as a Team Leader to counsel his Soldiers every month. He has not counseled a single Soldier for over 2 months now, and I have had it, I want to counsel him for Failure to counsel Soldiers but I am kind of lost as to where to start.
 
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Re:Failure to counsel Soldiers 3 Weeks, 2 Days ago Karma: 0  
You need to start by giving him the NCO Creed. There should be no reason why that NCO can't counsel his soldiers every month. Start by giving him the reason why he need to counsel those soldiers and then make sure you state in the counseling that this action would be on his NCOER under respondsiblity and under Leadership.
 
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Re:Failure to counsel Soldiers 2 Weeks ago Karma: 0  
I don't believe you should have to give that NCO the Creed... he should know it. Sadly not all NCO's agree that the NCO Creed is a means and the very definition as to what a leader is and how he/she should conduct themselves.

Failure to counsel a soldier for 2 months, either in writing or verbally, I would agree is the wrong answer. As a starting point I would guide your NCO to FM 6-22, make him read it, paying particular attention to the Counseling Appendix.

An NCO's greatest asset is his/her leadership. Taking your time to train your NCO on how to counsel properly, effectively, and efficiently, could help that Sergeant understand the need to complete his counseling on time each month (deployed or not).

Online Source: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/7-22-7/chap5.htm#5-1
 
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Re:Failure to counsel Soldiers 1 Week, 5 Days ago Karma: 0  
Counseling is sometimes difficulty to accomplish given the OPTEMPO of the element. However your directive to counsel is an order. Therefore the NCO should comply. Perhaps a better approach would be to sit down with the NCO and explain that his/her counseling of their soldiers is an action that proves he/she cares about them, their future, and their family. The NCO has a responsibility to counsel, identifying areas to sustain, areas that require improvement, allow the soldier to offer potential solutions/corrective action, and guide the soldier to correct weak areas, and then follow up. The counseling should also address upcoming events, recognition for achievements. By doing this the NCO has a formal record they can refer to when writing evaluation reports, awards, and/or separation/adverse actions.
Bottom-line: 1st take the high ground-explain why it is important, show that you are taking the time with the leader (because you care) and he/she should take the time with their soldiers (to show they care). Actions speak volumes! Should this fail counsel the NCO (formal), reference the previous directions/orders you have given them verbally. Indicate you will consider placing a bullet comment on their NCOER for disobeying an order for failing to properly develop subordinate, or look out for their welfare. Consider having the NCO bring you draft copies of the counselings they propose to give the soldiers, so you can review them together (corrective training), this shows you care about the product that is given the the soldier, and it shows the NCO you are serious about counseling and you are trying to develop them as a leader. In addition ensure you include in your counseling that the NCO needs to maintain a professional attitude when counseling his/her soldiers so that it does not come across like: I am being made to do this by a senior leader. It must come across as a team effort. Hope this helps.
 
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Re:Failure to counsel Soldiers 1 Week, 5 Days ago Karma: 0  
I have been deployed here in Iraq for 10 months now. I've been under two NCO's the first one gave me an Initial counseling, three months after he became my Sqd. Leader. Unfortunately he has gone awol. I've never recieved a monthly for the 5 months I've been under his command.
The Sqd. Leader I'm under now has never given me an initial counseling, and just recently gave me a monthly counseling for July 08. I've been under his command since Mar 08.
The problem is I've been asking him for my monthly counselings and he always has an excuse, none. I've been trying to go to the Promotion board and I've been asking why haven't I been counseled for promotion.
I made a table showing all counselings I've recieved which was only two, one initial and one monthly, and turned it in to my Plt. Sgt.
He has not responded for a week now. My next move is to go to the 1st Sgt.
I want to know where can I find the policy that requires mandatory counseling for your soldier under your command.
 
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Re:Failure to counsel Soldiers 1 Week, 3 Days ago Karma: 0  
In addition AR 600-8-19 states the following with regard to counseling soldiers that are eligible for promotion: para 1–26. Counseling of Soldiers not recommended for promotion a. First-line leaders will counsel Soldiers who are eligible for promotion to PV2 through SSG without a waiver (fully qualified) but not recommended in writing. Counseling will take place initially when the Soldier attains eligibility, and at least every 3 months thereafter, and include information as to why the Soldier was not recommended and what can be done to correct deficiencies or qualities that reflect a lack of promotion potential. b. There are no requirements to counsel Soldiers who are not recommended for promotion to SFC through SGM. Counselors will comply with the requirements of paragraphs 3–11 or 5–21 for Soldiers competing for promotion to
SGT/SSG.
Since he has not counseled you as required (assuming you are in the primary zone), you have a valid issue and should be allowed to attend the board. I would approach this tactfully with the Platoon Sgt/1SG and also discuss it with your squad leader 1st (by explaining to the squad leader your concerns and if he does not response request to see the 1SG on open door policy along with the Platoon Sergeant. Also go the the HRC website and look at the MILPER MSG. I believe there is a message that specifically addresses soldiers eligible for E-5/E-6 and have not been promoted.
 
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